If you’ve had bariatric surgery, you already understand what it means to show up for your health in a big way. But bodies continue to change, hormones shift, and life adds its own complications. And if weight begins to return (no matter how hard you’re working), it can feel confusing and discouraging. For many people in this situation, GLP-1 medications become the next step.

But that leads to an important question: How well do GLP-1s actually work after bariatric surgery?

This is a scenario I see often: someone who has lost a dramatic amount of weight (200 pounds or more) with gastric bypass or another procedure, only to face gradual regain later on. As they consider medication like Zepbound to support long-term weight maintenance, they want to know what’s realistic and what’s different about using GLP-1s in a post-surgery body.

It opens the door to a conversation we need to have more often… one that looks beyond the number on the scale and focuses on what success truly means after such a significant transformation.

Why Regain After Bariatric Surgery Is Normal (and Expected)

First, let's address something important: if you've experienced some regain after bariatric surgery, you're not alone. And no, you haven't failed.

Most people do not stay at the lowest number they achieve post-bariatric surgery. They'll get down to something, and then they'll regain some. That's usually expected. This is very common, whether it happens right away or 10-15 years down the road.

Here's why this matters: obesity is a chronic medical condition that you have to manage for life. So seeking additional treatment with GLP-1 medications isn't a sign that surgery "didn't work". It's just part of the ongoing, lifelong management of a complex condition.

How GLP-1 Medications Work Differently After Bariatric Surgery

If you're wondering whether Zepbound or other GLP-1 medications work the same way after bariatric surgery, the short answer is: they work differently (and often better).

Most people that have had bariatric surgery will respond better to this medication. Here's why:

• You already have elevated GLP-1 levels. Right after bariatric surgery, your GLP-1 levels increase naturally. This is one reason many people who have surgery don't need diabetes medication immediately afterward. When you add a GLP-1 medication on top of that, you're building on an existing foundation.
• Smaller doses often go further. In my practice, about 60% of my patients have had bariatric surgery in the past, and I consistently see that much smaller amounts of medication produce significant results. Post-bariatric patients are often hyperresponders.
• The restriction compounds. Because your anatomy is already different from surgery, you may already experience some restriction. When you add medication that further decreases appetite and slows gastric emptying, the effects can be more pronounced, which also means you need to be more cautious about side effects like nausea and vomiting.

What to Expect: Can You Lose 20% of Your Body Weight?

This is where expectations need to shift.

When you hear that GLP-1 medications lead to "20% weight loss," that's typically calculated from someone's current starting weight, not their lifetime maximum weight. If you've already lost 200+ pounds through surgery, you're not in the same position as someone just starting their weight loss journey.

What I typically look at is your current weight and your lifetime maximum weight. How much have you already lost? For most people who've lost significant weight through surgery, expecting another 20% loss from medication alone isn't realistic.

That doesn't mean the medication won't work. It absolutely can but the number might look different. You might lose 10%, 15%, or you might find that the medication helps you maintain rather than continue losing. And that might be exactly what you need.

You also need to consider your body composition. If you're walking 12,000 steps a day and doing strength training like the listener who wrote to me, you might have significant muscle mass. Focusing solely on the scale number could mean you're sacrificing muscle to chase a weight that doesn't make sense for your body.

This is why getting a body composition analysis is so important. You might not have 20% to lose at your current weight, and that's okay.

The Real Pitfalls: What Actually Sabotages Long-Term Success

Based on what I see in my practice, here are the patterns that tend to derail post-bariatric patients:

1. Grazing Patterns

A lot of post-bariatric patients, if they have not worked on their emotional relationship with food, they will start to turn into grazers.

Grazing means eating small amounts of food constantly throughout the day. You might avoid dumping syndrome (the uncomfortable reaction to eating too much sugar or carbs at once) by eating slowly, but the calories add up. You're never really having a meal, never getting proper nutrition, but you're keeping your insulin elevated all day long.

Grazing is not your friend. Most people who are grazing are not maintaining their weight long term.

2. Obsessing Over Step Counts

Studies show that walking beyond 7,500 steps doesn't provide dramatically better health outcomes compared to walking 15,000 steps. 

The biggest difference is in people who stay under 5,000 steps (that's considered sedentary). But once you're consistently above 7,500, you're doing great.

Can you walk more if it feels good? Absolutely. But don't feel like excessive walking is required for success. In fact, I've seen scenarios where people overtrain and actually do worse.

3. Ignoring Body Composition

The norm is losing muscle as you age, especially for women in their thirties and beyond. So if you're maintaining your muscle mass, you're doing great. And if you're gaining muscle, you're doing even better!

This is especially critical during menopause when you're already fighting against increased insulin resistance and hormonal changes that promote muscle loss. Strength training isn't optional, it's essential.

4. Not Getting Adequate Nutrition in Smaller Volumes

When you start a GLP-1 medication after surgery, your appetite can drop significantly. It's like being back in those early post-op months when restriction was at its highest.

You need to be strategic about getting your nutrition in smaller volumes. Prioritizing protein and making sure you're getting enough fiber is crucial. If you're struggling with this and your dietitian isn't familiar with managing post-bariatric patients on GLP-1s, it's time to find someone who is. At this point, if a healthcare provider isn't familiar with this combination, that's willful ignorance as one in eight people are on these medications.

Redefining Success: What Actually Matters

So how should you define success?

It’s not by whether you've lost 20% of your current weight. And it’s not by whether you're walking 12,000 steps every single day.

Success means:

• You're not regaining more weight
• Your relationship with food feels manageable
• You're making choices that support your health
• You're sleeping well
• Your labs look good (cholesterol, Lp(a), cardiovascular markers)
• You feel stable and in control

Your meals are balanced, you’re moving your body in a way that feels good, you're sleeping well at night… all of that matters so much more to me than losing 20% of your weight.

Building Your Sustainable Toolkit

If you're post-bariatric surgery and considering a GLP-1 medication, know this: it can absolutely be an effective tool. You may respond even better than someone who hasn't had surgery. But your journey will look different, and that's not just okay—it's expected.

Focus less on arbitrary percentages and more on sustainability. Ask yourself: Can I do this long-term? Does this support my relationship with food? Am I maintaining or building muscle? Do I feel good?

If you can't sustain it, it's no good.

You've already proven you can show up for yourself in extraordinary ways. Now it's about finding the right combination of tools (surgery, medication, nutrition, movement, and mental health support) that works for your life, right now, in this season.

Because obesity is a chronic condition that requires lifelong management. And getting additional support when you need it is not failure. It's smart, proactive healthcare.

Want to hear the full conversation? Listen to the complete episode of The Obesity Guide for more insights on combining bariatric surgery with GLP-1 medications.

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 Welcome back to another episode today. I'm really excited to go through. I got this fan mail question that had sort of 10 questions all encompassed in here, and I thought it'd be so helpful to go through this, I'm gonna get to that in a second, but I just wanted to give a little update here. I had a cool moment the other day.

Just to give background, my husband had a procedure at the VA and typically when you're there at the va they don't want you there when the person's getting prepped for the procedure or when they're, or when they go back to have it. But then they call you in afterward in the recovery room.

And so they're bringing him back and I'm like, okay, great. So I, did I give back? Not that he was getting a procedure, but it was my social hour guys. So he goes back and they're like, all right, we have your phone number. We'll call you when you're ready. But I did my residency in internal medicine here at Indiana University and .

The Indianapolis va bu it's one of the four that we trained at. Not only doing the inpatient services, but also different clinics and things like that, and I had my longitudinal clinic means the three years that I was an internal medicine resident each week, no matter what hospital you were at, no matter what you were doing.

You would do your half day clinic in the morning. This was for three years. You had all those clinics. You also did more. 'cause you had to get so many hours and see so many patients, things like that. But anyway, so each, gosh, what was it, Thursday morning, I can't remember what day it was, but there was one day a week when, the morning would always be that clinic.

I Facebooked, that physician and I, because I loved working with her. My attending that had been with me all those years. She was just. Absolutely the best. Such a positive person. So nurturing, and supportive. And I mean, honestly, she really changed my life. She was just such a ray of hope.

During a time when I really didn't like inpatient medicine it doesn't really fit my personality. And she was incredible. She writes me back, yeah, that's amazing. I'm in today. 'cause sometimes they're not in, the day that you're there. I got to follow up with her.

I got to meet my ma from that time too. And gosh, was that fun? And then I'm walking before this, 'cause let's say we came at seven in the morning, but. They were only gonna get in at eight 30. And so I had this like hour and a half to kill. So of course you guys know me, I'm gonna get my steps in. So I go to this back hallway that I'm thinking, oh, no one's gonna be here.

And I'm just walking back and forth, and then I run into. There was a time years ago when I was building my clinic. I did part-time at the VA in a primary care as well as obesity medicine clinic. I did that while I was building my clinic just to bridge income as I was doing this and I had a nurse at that time.

That was phenomenal. And I ran into her and she was with a physician's assistant where I had, briefly, there'd been a period of overlap where I'd a little bit been able to train him a little bit, show him the ropes, and then he actually has had my panel after I left. And so what a small world. And it was so funny.

She says, oh my gosh, you've lost a lot of weight. And guys, no one has ever said that to me. I've never gotten that comment. I have to tell you, I took it really well. You know, it's interesting. You don't see people for years, and I think for me, I've always been such a slow loser that I don't know if people don't comment because we don't comment anymore, which is fine, but I think when someone knows you and they know how much hard work you're putting in, and.

They're close to you and it comes from such a great place. It was just really nice. So, it was received in a great way. And then she said, you look so happy. And you know what, guys? I am happy. And that was just so great for someone to meet you and just be like, your energy is happiness right now.

And I don't know, it just it made my day, it made my day to run into them to get to see how they're doing and everybody. Was in a great place. Then my ma again from a few years ago here, when I had done , the part-time that MA was phenomenal. I had written a glowing letter of recommendation to her.

She got into nursing school, she's almost graduating. You know, when you're just like, everybody made it. We're all okay. I wanna cry thinking about it. So it was just so great to run into everybody, to see everybody and husband, everything went great. Great morning. So I'm coming off of that having happened this week and you know, it really did show me though how quickly time passes because I feel like just a little while ago I was in residency and all these things.

It's like, no, it's been over 10 years and it's been years since I was ever at the VA or any of these other places where I was working and. Time passes people. I think the message here that I want to get across is we just keep taking steps toward the life that we want, and we are in a radically different place, and I can't tell you how many people nowadays when they're seeing me, when they're interacting with me they're just saying, wow, I, I can't believe .

How you were able to build a clinic or how you're able to do the things you like, and I'm thinking, I don't know either. I'm thinking to myself, you just keep taking steps and you love what you're doing and you wanna help people and you keep moving in that direction. I wanna say to anyone else here, maybe you're a slower loser.

Maybe, life really feels overwhelming. I know I talk about this a lot, but it's because I see this with my patients, right? I see that. Particularly there's end of year finances that some companies have to do or, , different times of high production, and it affects the worker. If you're employed at these places, you are the one taking on the brunt of the work.

If this is happening, we need to pay extra careful attention. To empty your stress bucket, to do something for you at night that de-stresses you on your weekend to pour back into you. And these things really matter why years later you're in a different place. I've had so many scenarios recently where people are just shocked because they knew me maybe 10 years ago.

And it's really just a different matthea and I think that some people. Don't know that this kind of change is possible. And I wanna tell you that I very much so think it is. I think you can become whoever you want to, but that it's not necessarily easy. And I think that that's really why we're on this podcast together

is that we wanna support each other as we're going down these paths that really do take a lot of energy. Alright, so now that story time's over. Let's get to today's episode. So I got a fan mail question here. And I'm gonna read the whole thing and then I'm gonna come back and talk about different parts.

'cause this is just laced with amazing things. I wanna tell you, season one of the behind the curtain podcast, if you did not ever purchase that, I would consider if you like this kind of an episode, to go back and get that. 'cause these were the type of scenarios that I went over lots of different clinical cases.

That was season one. We'll make sure to link to it in the show notes. And this was the kind of thing that I went through a lot, coming up here. Season two has dropped,? And then we're gonna be doing the challenge in December here, so if that's something you wanna participate in, make sure that you do that now and then coming up next year, sometime in the first few months is gonna be season three.

That's gonna be much more side effect related, all the different side effects. Really deep dive on what you can do. So just telling you what's coming up here. Alright, so here we go. The question is, I'd love some insight on taking Zeep bound. Again, for everyone that's listening. Zep Bound is tirzepatide.

It's the same thing as Manjaro so this person's taking Zep Bound two and a half years after gastric bypass surgery, I went from 398 pounds to 191 in a year and a half, but after having both knees replaced and starting estrogen, they say they're 57. My weight loss stalled for a year, and I gained to two 12.

I started Zep Bound five weeks ago, and now I'm at 2 0 3. Let's just summarize for a second. This person a year and a half ago does an amazing. Makes an amazing decision, gets bariatric surgery, has an amazing journey. Going from 3 98 to 1 91 has, probably arthritic changes in the knees, has replacement, is in a totally different spot, but some regain occurs.

Okay, then they're, they're back at two 12. All right? I started zeep on five weeks ago. And now I'm at 2 0 3. Does Zet bound work the same after bariatric surgery? Can I expect a 20% loss like others other than prioritizing protein, walking 12 K steps a day and slowly getting back to strength training with the new knees?

What do I need to do to be successful? How would you define success? Gosh, these are great questions. So number one, why are you in the right head space? That I wanna say what's incredible here? It's not only going from where you started to where you got to, it's not only the awareness with the regain part, because by the way, that's very normal and expected with bariatric surgery.

Most people do not stay at the lowest number that they achieve post. Bariatric surgery, they'll get down to something and then they'll regain some. That's usually actually expected. This is very common where after bariatric surgery, it might be right away after, it might be 10, 15 years down the road that GLP ones are used.

Remember, obesity is a chronic medical condition. It doesn't go anywhere. You have to for life, manage it. So I'm so proud of you for talking to your physician or whoever you were talking to and that you got this additional treatment so that you can make sure to be. On the road that you wanna be.

Alright. Does zet bound work the same way after bariatric surgery? I see there being a big difference. The first thing that I really see is that when I give GLP one medication to post bariatric patients, and again, now it's about 60% of my clinic that, have had a bariatric surgery in the past.

I see that they are, , usually much more hyper responders. So you have had changes in the gut. Right away when you got out of bariatric surgery, your GLP one levels were increased. So this is one of the reasons that a lot of people that go into bariatric surgery, literally right away afterward, might not need diabetes medication so that you already have some increased GLP one levels.

And then on top of that, let's say you weren't so close to the surgery, let's say that you were 10, 15 years out, universally I see with most people that a lot smaller amount of medication goes further. The fact that you. Within five weeks have lost when you take the difference between being at 2 0 3 right now and, and when you started the Med two 12, that's a 5% weight reduction to have 1% per week.

That's at the max speed that we would wanna do. . We don't actually want you to go faster, so I just wanna kind of give perspective to everybody else who's here. I want. People to lose a few percent, that 5%. I want people to get that , by 12 to 16 weeks within the clinic. Otherwise, really that medication's not working for them.

So to have already achieved that in a little over a month,, you are at, the sonic speed. If anyone here has little kids, you are sonic speed fast, super, super fast with what's happening. So does it work the same for you? I find that it is more potent in post-bariatric patients. I'm not remember nothing is.

Hard and fast. There are some people that don't, that don't follow this pattern, but most people that have had a surgery will respond better to this medication. And it's not only the hormone levels, it's also that because the anatomy is different, you already sometimes have a restriction happening, and then on top of it, the medication's making you even more restricted.

So again, this is actually a population where I also see very commonly nausea develop and then vomiting, and I have to be very cautious. With post-bariatric patients. So again, hopefully you have a team that's really following you with this, but I do see it work differently. Typically, it's to your advantage, can I expect a 20% loss like others?

Here's what I typically see you when you're talking about weight loss. I typically look at , the weight that you're at now, and then I look at your lifetime max, where you were and I see how much have you lost? And typically it's not that you starting at two 12, then you do the math to lose 20%.

That's usually not possible for people when they've already lost as much weight as you have. But that doesn't mean that it can't happen. So I have such a big range. I have some people where they have lost over 50% of their body weight. And then I have others where that's not possible. Now, I do wanna say one thing.

This is interesting 'cause someone asked me the other day in clinic, this person was at like 30 something percent weight loss and they're showing no signs of slowing down. And so I suspect that they're gonna get into the 40% range. I have not typically, unless someone's had a surgery, seen people cross the 50% mark with just GLP ones.

Now some of you out there are like, I have, you're wrong. Yeah, you're an outlier. But I'm talking in general, like routinely, what's possible. Most people are not. If you're starting at 300 pounds, not getting down to 150. And again, there are outliers and all of you are gonna email me after, like, I, it's, I didn't, I I get it.

I have those patients too, but you're not the norm. Okay. So would I expect a 20% for you? Probably not. I also don't know though, for you, and this is where you can't just go based off this, I don't know how tall you are. I don't know your body composition. So when you say, , lose 20%, maybe you don't even have 20% to lose at 2 0 3.

So one of the things you really need to do is get a body composition done. You might have a ton of muscle, and if you just focus on the number, you're gonna sacrifice a bunch of muscle at some point. So I would not actually focus so much on that so much as can this medication help me with my relationship with food,, help me make great health decisions that is a lot more what I would focus on than the weight.

Or can I achieve weight stability and not be worried that I'm gonna regain? That would be a lot more, you're asking here, how would I define success? That would be a lot more of the success because what you experienced was probably a slow regain at some point, something happened. When you stalled and then you regained, and I know you said you started estrogen, so you know, menopause might have really been in the way.

'cause remember, insulin resistance goes up with that. There's a lot happening. But to me, success is you're not regaining more, you're feeling more in control with food. You're eating great things. Your gut health feels good, you're sleeping good. I would look at all those other parameters before I would be concerned with, have you lost 20% on the med?

But no, you're not in the same scenario as other people because you've already released a lot of weight up to this point. Alright, and then when you're saying here, other than prioritizing protein, so obviously protein's amazing. Yes. High five to that. I don't think that you need to walk 12 K steps, so I wanna just give a big disclaimer here.

We do not see based on studies that beyond 7,500 steps that, oh, those people do so much better than someone that walks 15 K steps is so much in better health and someone that walks 7.5, we really don't see that. We do see there being a big difference with people under 5K steps.

That's considered sedentary. So 5K is a few miles, so by the time you get to 10 K, you're at, close to five miles, don't quote me on the exact number. Some of you, it might vary based on your stride length and things like that, but. So what I would say is this, can we get you outta the sedentary range?

Can we get you at least 5K steps or more? And then can we get towards 7.5 once you're in this 12 k step? Amazing. But I'm not sitting here pushing that. It has to be more, more, more. In fact, I've even talked about this. I saw this with myself one time when I did over the summer, the walking challenge, it was just like craziness, the amount of steps I was doing, and I never did worse.

So don't get too in your head that you have to be walking all the time and doing all this stuff. Feels good for you, amazing. And keep doing it, but don't feel that that's required for you to be successful long term. Okay. And then you're saying solely getting back to strength training. Yes. You know, get that guidance, especially with when you've had knee replacements and things like that.

. And even just being in menopause, you need to be doing strength training, otherwise you are every year losing muscle no matter what. So remember ladies that are listening really thirties and beyond. The norm is losing muscle. So if you're maintaining, you're doing great. If you're gaining, hallelujah, you're doing even better.

But remember, because losing muscle is normal with aging, if you're able to maintain, that means you're doing something. Okay? So if you get a body composition. And let's say by the next year, you're like, ah, nothing changed. You didn't lose. Yay. You see what I'm saying? So I'm sorry, this is not, oh.

You're just always trying to be positive about it. It's, you have to know what the trends are to know if you're bucking the trends. So if you are maintaining your skeletal muscle, you're actually ahead of the curve. All right. And then the other thing that you were asking here is, what can I do to be successful?

Again, I would not be focusing so much on the weight. And I would be looking at, , relationship with food, food choices. I wanna give you an example why I'm so possessed with you not focusing on the scale. Because a lot of post bariatric patients, if they have not worked on their emotional relationship with food, they will start to turn into grazers.

So you're eating these little amounts of food all the time, and grazing can start to turn into disordered eating because you might not have d Dumping syndrome means , let's say you eat a lot of carbohydrates, suddenly you get, literally you get diarrhea, you're sweating like you don't feel good.

, It's something called dumping syndrome. And you might know, okay, that can't happen. But if I like slowly eat the donut, I'll be fine. And if I. Slowly have slider foods, which are foods that you just have no off switch, , pretzels are an example of that. You could just eat and eat and eat these pretzels and the calories end up adding up, but you're not ever really having a meal.

You're not ever really. Getting the nutrition that you need, but you're kind of eating the stuff like all the time, right? And so this is not helpful from a insulin being jacked up all the time standpoint. It's not helpful from a being able to maintain this long term. Most people that are grazing are not maintaining their weight long term.

Again, if you're the exception out there. Great. High five to yourself. What I see when people clinically come to work with me, I wanna get you outta the grazing land. Grazing is not your friend to, to just be like eating small snacks all day long. So back to this. I would stop looking at the scale so much and I would really be focused on, you're doing the protein.

Amazing. Are you getting fiber in too? Sometimes the volume of your food is so down when you start to get on the GLP one. It's just like when you were, initially post-surgical in those first few months or maybe even the first year until things kind of that restriction loosened a little bit and some people that stays for life.

But for a lot of post-bariatric patients, eventually that lifts some, and so the medication brings that back. And so you're really gonna need to be strategic to get your nutrition in, in smaller volumes, which can be done. If you're struggling with that, you need to involve your medical team because this, we're not new to this anymore.

. If you are working, let's say with a registered dietician that's not familiar with this, at this point, it's willful ignorance and you need to switch registered dieticians because it's very mainstream. One out of eight people are on these medications, and if they're not,, familiar with this, they're choosing not to learn. They're holding a bias and not wanting to help you, right? Like they might be anchored and it has to be this volume of food and they can't. Reframe their mind to work with who's in front of them. So just to point out, I think that those things, the meals that are balanced, you getting the movement, you sleeping okay at night, those type of things, that matters much more to me than you losing 20% of your weight.

Alright, I'm just gonna end it here 'cause I think that , we could talk so much more about it. That's the reason why I do some of these premium podcast seasons because honestly, when I look at this, each question could be a whole episode. Because you could really dig into, okay, so what is changing during menopause?

What do I need to do differently during that period? Why are the hormones significant? ? You know, the thing I would care much more about, and this is a sidebar, but the, I don't have time to get into it all today, but we'll do another episode on this. I would care much more what your labs are doing, when you're in menopause, sometimes .

The cholesterol numbers can go up. I would care what your LP little ar, I would care about your atherosclerotic risk. I would care much more what your blood vessels are doing that land I'm much more concerned about than the number that you stabilize and stay at.

I hope that today this helps you out to realize that you don't need to focus on the 20% weight loss. You don't need to focus on, I'm perfect with step count. It's holistically, can I do these things and can I keep going? I'm obsessed with the word sustainability because if you can't sustain it.

It's no good. So don't do things like the 12 K steps is amazing. If it fits in your life,, if you're like, I can do this for a month or two or here or there, but the minute winter hits I can't do it. The minute work kicks up for a moment. I can't do it. Like one of the biggest rookie mistakes that I see with people is that , they pick exercise regimens that don't flex with their work schedule.

Alright. If today's episode was helpful. Make sure that you share this with a friend, and I wanna remind you if you wanna participate in that December challenge, we're gonna be doing a lot of amazing momentum and consistency things in there.

So it's December 1st through 21st. It goes along with season two of the Premium podcast, and you have all those episodes. But what's really unique about that, if you join the challenge that we're doing is that. For three weeks, all the days of the week, Monday through Friday, so 15, 15 days outta that time, I'm gonna be going live.

We're gonna talk about things. I'm gonna answer questions, we're gonna support each other. There's a WhatsApp group that you're part of. You can end the year on a super strong note. It doesn't need to be a slow decline with. Eating little treats all over the place and being frustrated and why did I do this and why did I do that?

Well, I'll start over in January. You do not need to do that. You can do it differently this year and you can be part of a really amazing group that does it. This is the only time until next year that I'm gonna run it. It's just happening in December. And then, just a reminder, next year I'm only running 30 30 in January and September, so if you wanna be part of 30, 30.

I would again, join now because it's only gonna be January and September. We already have a really nice group that's part of that, and then those spots are limited, so I am, that's the same thing with the challenge. When those spots are gone, we just turn it over to a wait list. Alright, I'm gonna leave you guys with that.

If you ever have questions. Make sure to, , use the fan mail or you can email me. Remember with fan mail, you need to leave name in an email. Otherwise, I can't get back to you if you have a question for me. Alright, I hope this episode was helpful and we'll talk soon.